Schoolhouse Rock: Prof. David Yamane Breaks Down the Structure of Anti-Gunners’ Arguments

Had some interesting non-conversations with anti-gun brother-in-law. Every time he uses one of the tactics described in the article, I just note, “If it saves only one, especially me…” The response usually results in claims that saving only one life is irrational. When I reply that using gun control laws to save only one is irrational, things wind down pretty quick.

Seat belts and air bags, irrational. Fire alarms and extinguishers, irrational. Gun ownership, irrational. We all just need to solve our problems by holding hands and doing trust falls because if we say nothing bad ever happens then we don’t need back up safety measures. If you have these things it’s because you’re racist btw.

I dont gaf what’s legal, or what “makes sense” to a bunch of sheep. I’ll keep my guns and a whole bunch of you will regret trying to take them. By a bunch, I mean millions. Guns are small potatoes when it comes to fighting.

yada, yada, yada teacher…Enough about how pasty mouth pompous nitwits view Americans exercising a Constitutional Right.

The only people who deserve being scrutinized are people who wallow around in Gun Control. After all History Confirms Gun Control in any shape, matter or form is rooted in racism and genocide.

With The Truth About Gun Control chiseled in History it’s crystal clear Gun Control zealots and their useful idiots have mental problems.

Ya know on May 31,2020 BlackLootersMurder had breached my town. The local po-lice did quite little to slow the looting & misconduct. I had my AR by my side waiting for the scum to show up…as did a bunch of other’s locally. Only I had no wish for publicity. I am my own 1st responder.

A beta saying I’m weak next to a pink water buffalo… Got it!

“You own guns because you’re weak.”

Like millions of other young kids, I was bullied in grade school. I asked my dad to teach me how to box so I could defend myself and he declined, saying that boxing was a sport, not a self defense tool. He also told me that if I had something in my hands, I was ten feet tall. After I learned to master improvised weapons, I found out that he was right.

I’m almost 75 now and my days of fighting off more than one young guy at a time with just my hands, feet and improvised weapons are long gone. That doesn’t make me weak, it just makes me old.

I recognize that leftists want me to die, and some day I will — but not today because I still shoot straight.

Totally ignores the increasing numbers of entirely unprovoked and seemingly without reason (revenge, argument, robbery, etc.) violent attacks being videotaped, mostly in urban environments, over the last year or so.

And the reported 25% of robberies or muggings where the perpetrator shoots or stabs the victim even if they were entirely cooperative.

Seems to me that if someone with criminal intent comes into your world, much less your home, waving a firearm you really need a better comeback than “take whatever you want” because what they want may be more than you or your wife or your children are willing to give.

The same sociologists and phycologists that are totally cool with lopping off your junk and taking hormone injections for the rest of your life. Because that’s rational and not at all maladaptive.

Self defense is one thing defense against tyranny is another form of defense that was not mentioned. Ask any culture that has been denied gun ownership how that’s worked out. Nazi Germany, China, North Korea, etc just to name a few. We had to send weapons to Ukraine to help them out, what about us?! We gun owners are the last line of defense against invaders both foreign and domestic. And don’t say that it can’t happen in the U S of A.

Yamane is awesome.

sounds like the 6 BS points dacian, Miner49er, and Albert Hall bring up. Especially dacian who relies on ‘copy-n-paste’ harping on outdated and debunked studies/research that try to reinforce these points. The six points are anti-gun dogma that is not only wrong and a lie, it actually leads to increasing deaths and injury.

Woman Kicked Out Of Sam’s Club For ‘Concealed’ Carry, Allowed Back In After Calling Corporate > https://concealednation.org/2022/10/woman-kicked-out-of-sams-club-for-concealed-carry-allowed-back-in-after-calling-corporate/

“A woman was kicked out of Sam’s Club for carrying concealed but then allowed back in after the store manager called corporate.

A North Carolina woman with a concealed carry permit went shopping at Sam’s Club after working on her farm. She was open carrying, which is legal in North Carolina. Knowing that Sam’s Club had a sign on the door that only stated that open carry was not allowed, she put her shirt over her open carry gun.

The doorman noticed the gun under her shirt and alerted other employees. Two female employees confronted the woman and asked her to leave and remove the gun.

After the woman showed the store manager the sign, the manager called corporate, who reportedly got angry that any employees even approached her. She was then allowed back into the store to show with her ‘concealed’ carry gun.”

Beginning with taking antigunners’ propaganda at face value (as what they actually believe) and trying to understand why, this model sidesteps the real question(s).

Given that there is not only the text of the Constitution and ample precedent for what its writers (and every pre-20C legal mind) meant / intended, but also abundant empirical evidence (from non gun-rights-advocate sources like the CDC or FBI) for all the relevant facts (DGUs, infinitesimal rate of accidental gun deaths unrelated to crime, police inability to intervene in violent crimes in progress), what causes antigunners to advocate policies completely contrary to facts, principles, logic, and pragmatic considerations?

One of the first logical steps should be contrasting their theories with historical mistakes / pseudohistorical beliefs.

Family of four were kidnapped and found killed this week (the youngest eight months old). Lets have those psychologists break out arguments for not being armed instead should offer tea and crumpets.

Of course guns are owned because your weak…duh

That what we have been saying all along. Atleast when it concerns defensive firearms. They level the playing field as a force multiplier. I’m not sure why it takes such educated minds to remind us that a 90lb female can be easily overtaken by a 250lb male. Is it really so much rocket science to say that a single person is too weak to fend off multiple attackers at once in most circumstances?

Maybe some people just need it stated another way for them to understand.

1 death by gunfire in Japan last year

40,000 deaths on average and 85,000 wounded in Capitalvania per year because Capitalvania does not have any meaningful gun control.

I think that really says it all without getting too complicated for the Neanderthal mind of the Far Right to try and comprehend through the fog of advanced paranoia.

Naw it’s soo peaceful out there.

The gun control nuts always use mass shootings as proof of their supposition that there are just too many guns in our society. I say that there are too many mass shootings because not enough people are armed. Gun Free Zones are nothing but “KILLING ZONES.”

If the gun is sign power so why national become automic power

So, in light of recent events in ‘Vegas, just what law or ban, etc. will prevent someone from arming themselves with whatever they can get and using the item to commit a violent crime?
2 dead and several wounded. Using a large kitchen knife.
1 person with a pistol could have ended the attack with likely fewer injured and possibly only the perp being the deceased.
Of course, the usual response is call 911 and try to be a good witness. Hard to be a good witness when you are either in intensive care or dead.

The right to self defense is universal. To deny that right is to deny your own existence.

So, in a twist that should be entirely unsurprising, the guy’s elucidating a shorter version of what I’ve been talking about for years (because I’m explaining the individual and group dynamics along with trying to show you where else this is prevalent, which is everywhere at this point). Which is not to say that Dr. Yamane is a Johnny Come Lately, but that he’s looking at this from a different (and IMHO too narrow) angle.

The type of brainwashing that starts with the Pavlovians operates on multiple levels to be self-reinforcing for the brainwashing, for the individual and for a large group and it does this over time. It can be deployed in many ways, which is why I constantly hammer on “target audience”, because this is a huge, huge concept if you want to change a society, especially if you want to turn parts of it against other parts of it.

Good dog trainers know these things and use them, but not for manipulative ends. The fastest way to train a dog is to introduce it to a pack of already trained dogs. Caesar Milan showed this on TV FFS. But people don’t see it being done to them because they’ve be conditioned to *look away*. But that *pack oriented training* is what we call a “society” and it is malleable if you want to change it and are ruthless enough to do so.

These tactics works even better on people because we can make longer temporal associations and much more complex abstract connections, which are base facets of our being that casinos and other con men use to their advantage.

It’s doubly effective for the fact that people will rationalize their behavior in a social context, meaning they unknowingly rationalize their own brainwashed behavior as a method of denying the brainwashing ever took place. This has been worked out in surprising detail over the past ~220 years and has been weaponized by pretty much every government on the planet to some degree or another.

Huxley’s understanding of this back in the 1920’s is why he wrote Brave New World and I will remind you that by 1961 he publicly stated that the capacity to brainwash a population had already exceeded where he thought it would get to by 2050. This distressed him greatly and he spoke of it during that Ivy League speaking tour in ’61. Unfortunately, Orwell was already dead, having died, IIRC in 1950. A tragically short life for a man with the insight he possessed. Huxley, OTOH, did himself no favors with the public by publishing The Doors of Perception and being a visible proponent of LSD, something that got him lumped in with Leary in the 1960’s and basically discredited everything Huxley ever did that was correct, which was most of his life’s work if we’re honest.

Simply compare the following lists and you’ll see that the “Psychology” list functions on multiple levels of the “Brainwashing” list, which is remarkably similar to this guy’s list (provided at the end for comparison). Keep in mind that the actual psychology functions at multiple levels and over multiple timescales in relation to the final list (or any other group you’d like to make that list for).

==Psychology of Manipulation==
1. Assault the Identity
2. Increase felt guilt in any way possible.
3. Encourage self-betrayal based on guilt.
4. Promote dissociative behavior/questioning of Identity.
5. Offer temporary leniency for past transgressions if confessed to.
6. Offer confession opportunity.
7. Attach felt guilt to previous Identity.
8. Introduce new belief system that removes guilt and prior Identity.
9. “New, controlled person” emerges. (self reinforces new identity by seeking others with same views).

==Brainwashing==
1. Pick Target/Isolate Target
2. Attack Self-Esteem.
3. Mental Abuse.
4. Physical Abuse (optional/if necessary).
5. Repetition of Abuse (mostly mental).
6. Continued Isolation/Allowed Socialization with Others Further Along Brainwashing Track
7. Introduce Us vs. Them mentality.
8. “Love Bomb” the Target (We accept you, those others don’t!).

==Anti Gun Structure==
1. Recognize Gun Culture.
2. Discount Utility of Gun Culture.
3. Hold opposite views of gun culture.
4. Demonize gun culture as Irrational.
5. Explain rationalization of maladjusted behavior.
6. Use “expert” Psychological explanation for “maladaptive behavior”.

This is brainwashing so fucking effective and deep that the new brainwashers don’t even realize they’re brainwashed themselves because they live if a bubble of society that self-reinforces old brainwashing to create new brainwashing. Exactly like Huxley and Orwell feared and articulated.

This is a war of attrition where one side only need win 50.x% of the battles and do so over time. They have been doing this for decades on a host of fronts, guns are just one of them. Yuri Bezmenov told you how this system took over the entire schooling apparatus by the 1960’s, and evidence that he’s correct can be seen the the difference between SAT scores in 1964 and 1965, scores that will nosedive until 1975 and then be covered up by a “rescoring” of the test in the 1970’s. At no time did schooling recover, the testing was just rejiggered to provide the illusion that schooling was repaired.

Run that system forward ~50 years and you have the perfect canvas for the Pavlovians to paint on. And paint they have, with ever increasing speed and furor since the 1980’s.

The modding on this site does get old. Real fuckin’ fast.

I like to use leftists’ arguments against them when they use the small genital thing.
My response usually ends up something like this:
“I don’t know what your obsession is with other men’s(if it’s a guy) genitals, but if that is your sexual preference, then I fully support your decision- even if I do not share that preference with you. However, in your obvious misogyny, you forget that women own firearms as well. Do they not deserve to be able to protect themselves from men who would harm them? What about those women who do not wish to have their male genitals anymore, or the men who wish they did have them? Are you so hateful and bigoted towards the LBGTQ people that you have to prevent them from defending themselves as well?”

It is a subtle check on their own sexuality and claiming they aren’t for gay/trans rights is also at play in the response. This usually overloads their prejudice centers of their brain and ends the conversation when I bring that response into play.

Listen to Joy Behar or any other psychotic screamer for 30 seconds or more if you have an overwhelming need to cringe.
Hatred of a Penis is a very real psychosis these days. Should be recognized and treated as a threat to others. WE need to be protected from dangerous psychotics, too!